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« on: July 06, 2009, 01:50:16 PM »

 Ok, first of all, it's been awhile since i've posted here; the reason? Far, fear that I would be baraged by the little vocal group of critics I like to call heroes haters. So, you think it would be safe in a Heroes fansite right? Wrong, fansites are there home turf. Well, I just came from a website with nothing but sour grapes for my beloved tv series, so finally I decided this is the time, to right the rant i've been formulating for a while now.
 I'll start by saying i'm sorry for a the massive rant that is about to ensue, but i've got to say this, for all the REAL fans that feal ashamed by calling Heroes there favorite show, just because a few people are bitter because there favorite character got killed off, or there to dumb to understand the plot, or have just simply missed the point of Heroes.
 First, we all the know the first season was great, but was it really that much better than two and three? Recently I rewatched all three seasons with a friend to get him into the series, and i've noticed that while volume won is a great piece of writing, it has it's flaws, but did people complain? no, not at all. Season one is essentially an origin story, it built characters, explained powers, and got us hooked. However like all storys it had to evolve, into season two.
 Season two was bashed by many people, but I still don't completely understand why. Sure, it wasn't the best season, but it stayed true to what it wanted to acomplish and what themes it wanted to express; parents sin children suffer, who are the early generation of heroes, what did they do that has consequences for todays heroes? All of that was answered and adressed. So, maybe puting Peter in ireland wasn't the best choice, and what happened to Caitlin was never explained, but honestly did it have to be explained? Some times the writers don't explain every little thing because it slows down the show, if they did people would complain about the characters constantly stating the obvious. Caitlin was stuck in an alternant time line, so she's probably dead because that time line was erased, also who really cared about Caitlin? On the subject of Niki/Jessica, alot of people didn't like her character, well she's gone now, so stop complaiing, and personally I liked her storyline very much. People have complained about new characters, but new characters bring a fresh face to the series and it would be unrealistic if nobdy new ever came in. Plus, they always serve a purpose. Which brings me to supporting characters, there called that for a reason, they support the main characters. So, if you are sad that Elle died, rember this, she died to support Sylar's storyline. West, his only purpose was to cause a rift between Claire and Noah, Daphne, an enemy for Hiro and a love interest for Matt, the list goes on. Almost all the characters are there for a reason, no matter how small the reason is.
 Now, third season was my absoulute favorite season, so when I read complaints about it, I was really fuming.

 Ok, so now i'm a bit tired now, but I want all your thoughts on this, feal free to add anything I missed or elaborate my points, I want all the replys I can get, preferably positive replys.
 (also, sorry 'bout spelling errors!)
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2009, 06:25:03 PM »

Loved the rant

Agreed with like...EVERYTHING!  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009, 07:41:54 PM »

Okay, I guess I'll just comment as I go. Impressive rant, by the way!

Quote from: beatles on July 06, 2009, 01:50:16 PM
...just because a few people are bitter because there favorite character got killed off, or there to dumb to understand the plot, or have just simply missed the point of Heroes.

That seems a bit harsh, don't you think? I mean, I love Heroes, but can we really accuse people of being too dumb to understand the plot? I mean, let's face it, you need to have seen every single episode! That doesn't make them dumb!

Quote from: beatles on July 06, 2009, 01:50:16 PM
Sure, it wasn't the best season, but it stayed true to what it wanted to acomplish and what themes it wanted to express; parents sin children suffer, who are the early generation of heroes, what did they do that has consequences for todays heroes? All of that was answered and adressed.

True, but sometimes just adressing basic themes is not enough. They had to have a plot that appropriately moved the themes along for each character, and that is where the writers fell flat. In Volume 3, the problem was that they focused too much on individual plotlines and abandoned their themes and big questions.

Quote from: beatles on July 06, 2009, 01:50:16 PM
So, maybe puting Peter in ireland wasn't the best choice, and what happened to Caitlin was never explained, but honestly did it have to be explained? Some times the writers don't explain every little thing because it slows down the show, if they did people would complain about the characters constantly stating the obvious. Caitlin was stuck in an alternant time line, so she's probably dead because that time line was erased, also who really cared about Caitlin? On the subject of Niki/Jessica, alot of people didn't like her character, well she's gone now, so stop complaiing, and personally I liked her storyline very much. People have complained about new characters, but new characters bring a fresh face to the series and it would be unrealistic if nobdy new ever came in. Plus, they always serve a purpose.

YES, OF COURSE what happened to Caitlin had to be explained! I don't think that it would have slowed the show down too much to simply have Peter, oh, I don't know, ASK SOMEONE, like his mom, or Noah, what would happen in that situation. Simply leaving plotlines hanging with no resolution, especially one as climatic as Caitlin's, is just lazy. We can assume what happened, but our characters cannot. Oh, and personally, I thought that Niki should have died at the end of Season 1. Her Season 2 storyline was just ridiculous and boring. Gina? What the hell? Also, I don't think it would be unrealistic to bring in new characters less often. 70% of shows never bring in new characters, except for guest spots or small recurring roles. And yes, these roles always serve a purpose.

Quote from: beatles on July 06, 2009, 01:50:16 PM
Which brings me to supporting characters, there called that for a reason, they support the main characters. So, if you are sad that Elle died, rember this, she died to support Sylar's storyline. West, his only purpose was to cause a rift between Claire and Noah, Daphne, an enemy for Hiro and a love interest for Matt, the list goes on. Almost all the characters are there for a reason, no matter how small the reason is.

I personally thought that Elle's death could have easily been shoved off on a new character (I know, that sounds hypocritical of me, but still). Elle was one of the best characters, and killing her off was a horrible decision, in my opinion. I don't think that they brought Elle in in Season 2 just to serve as a ridiculous jumping off point for Sylar in Season 3. (Don't even get me started on how idiotic Volume 3 was. Volume 4 was fantastic, but 3 was awful) I thought that West served only as a function in Claire's storyline. He was a part of her life, and there was no reason to leave him out after Season 2. Imagine how helpful he could have been in Season 3! As for Daphne, the writers were idiots. What started out as a cool villain became a stupid, wisecracking love interest for Matt. How in the hell did they manage to do that? The Volume 3 writers were pretty bad, in my opinion.

Now don't get me wrong, I love Heroes, it is my favorite show. However, it has some major flaws, and we cannot deny that. We should, instead of denying them, acknowledge them, and voice our complaints so that we can help to fix them.
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2009, 08:17:33 PM »

 First of all, thank all two of you for commenting! I tried to make the rant less negative than it was in my mind. Anyway, you have some valid points, and I understand some of the negativity toward the show, but the all out meaness that some of the other fansites spew is just horrible.
 I stand by everything i've said, I just hope I haven't offended anyone. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2009, 05:31:29 PM »

Absolutely not. I have honestly believed that everyone's opinion matters. Now, here's my personal opinion on the matter, short and sweet:

First season set the pace and the tone and is by far the best season IMHO.

Second season would've hit a home run if the writers' strike NEVER happened. There was even more potential, but the strike ruined everything that time.

Third season started out...not so good to me. The first half concentrated far too much on powers and not enough on the story. The second half did a major improvement, going back to the basics. As a result, the show definitely came back and earned the right to have a fourth season.

Now, let's just hope this fourth season starts on a good note and continues to thrive. If it recaptures the fun and thrill of season 1, this show's going to hit cruise control.

There's my opinions. Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2009, 12:56:31 AM »

X-men is more fun in terms of the fighting between the mutants, using their power in doing so. Heroes so far have not yet shown the character batteling each other with their full power.
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